My problem with Obama's Speech on Race

Timing is everything, and the timing of Barack Obama's statement was wrong, profoundly so, even though it's content was profoundly right. The speech was late in coming, but much better late than never. Obama's timing was wrong in a political sense but also in the much broader social context of the signature rational for his presidential quest; Obama's pledge to bring Americans of different walks together as a people.

To begin with, Barack Obama fumbled the ball when controversial tapes of his long time Pastor Reverend Wright were first sprung on national TV. His initial reply, emphasizing that he previously knew nothing about Wright's most provocative comments because he wasn't actually sitting in a church pew when those sermons were given, was technically true at best. It was also a deflection from the real issues being aired, and an irresistible invitation to the nation's media to prove him wrong, reminiscent of Gary Hart when he foolishly dared the media to prove he was having an extra marital affair while he ran for President.

There was no excuse for Barack Obama not better preparing for this moment. Knowing how Willie Horton was used as a dagger to the heart of Mike Dukakis' Presidential campaign, surely Barack Obama knew sermons containing Reverend Wright's racially explicit preaching, shown in videos his church openly sold to the world, would be mined for damaging politically content by those who bear Obama no good will. An aid to McCain's campaign has already been ousted for stitching together inflammatory snippets of Wright's most controversial preaching for a planned hit on Obama. It was all quite predictable.

It's unlikely Barack Obama would have fumbled his first response to the Wright tapes release had he consciously chosen to get out ahead of the issue to begin with, by preemptively fully dealing with his two decade long relationship with Pastor Wright before he was forced into crisis response mode. He didn't though. Why not? The answer I believe lies in an early tactical decision made by Obama's campaign to position him as a post racial candidate for the primaries.

But that decision clashed with the core insight of the speech on race Barack Obama just gave. We are not living in a post racial America, nor do we live in the segregationist past. That is the heart of the speech Barack Obama delivered. It explains many of the awkward moments we all on occasion witness, and the seemingly contradictory thoughts and actions of essentially good people navigating complex social changes. Obama explained it well. Neither fish nor fowl, not racist nor post racial; we are a society in the midst of a positive transition, overall making progress, still weighed down with some baggage from our past that can't be simply ignored, carried by people who can't be simply condemned.

Obama's speech was important. It was honest and healing in its overall effect. It was a speech very few Americans could have given, that virtually any Americans can benefit from hearing. But it was long overdue. By previously running a campaign that avoided any focus on race, Barack Obama temporarily leap froged the issue he was always fated to address; the lingering racial divides, justice imperfectly served, and the unvanquished suspicions and grievances that fosters.

Obama's greatest hope and biggest promise; furthering America's unity as a people, is linked to progress in this realm, and his political quest now is linked to that progress as surely as Jackie Robertson's skill at baseball linked him to the civil rights struggle in 1947. Obama delayed fully answering this aspect of his calling. In an irony for a politician accused of pushing words instead of action, Obama's action in announcing as a viable Black candidate for President had a profound and positive racial impact, but the healing power of his words in that same arena was unfortunately delayed in coming.

In his speech Obama correctly observed that his campaign placing a mixed race African American on the threshold of winning the most powerful job on Earth is a real marker of our society's racial progress, but it goes far past being a mere marker; Obama's campaign is a dynamic process playing out in real time toward an uncertain conclusion. Win or lose, Obama's candidacy has the potential to actively drive America's racial progress forward dramatically. But it also has the potential to significantly set it back. Glass ceilings don't dissolve; they shatter on impact, leaving jagged edges exposed in the process. And those have the potential to wound.

It was realistically impossible to avoid Race in this election, but facing it did not have to further divide us. Yet to an uncomfortable extent it has. Rather than helping us embrace the progress our society has made, this primary season gave voice to a litany of complaints about progress not yet realized. A problematic die got cast when the Obama campaign actively resisted Obama being viewed as the black candidate for President. It came from an understandable concern, a fear that being seen as "the black candidate" would make Obama less trust worthy to whites who in most places make up the large majority of voters. But since he literally isn't just another in a long string of white Presidential candidates, embracing a post racial identity became Obama's only other option,

So there was no major early campaign speech about race relations in America delivered by Barack Obama. And the potential controversy about Obama's long term relationship with Reverend Wright and his Afro Centric ministry was not preemptively defused. Instead Obama ran an early campaign that sought to transcend race, an option admittedly that most white politicians in America have by default. But in Obama's case that meant underplaying the obvious, that Barack Obama is the first black man in America with a very real chance to be elected President, and what that actually means to America.

For Democratic partisans outside of the Obama camp, public references to race, even where race has an obvious and relevant electoral connection, became risky lest they be construed as race based pigeon holing of Barack Obama as "the black candidate", employed to his perceived disadvantage. The margin for error in comments became narrow and brittle, the thought police grew active, charges and counter charges flew, and overall bitterness grew. Race came close to becoming the third rail of 2008 Democratic primary politics, more than likely to harm anyone who touched on it.

Prior to Barack Obama delivering his speech on race relations in America, fierce partisanship regarding his Presidential ambitions dampened most chances for mutually respectful discourse about race in America between Democrats of differing allegiances. The truth is that under any circumstances it is difficult for most Americans to calmly discuss race outside of their closest circles, with forgiveness implicitly extended to those who misspeak or misstep, let alone those whose meaning simply gets misunderstood in the midst of an attempted dialog.

And in a politically charged climate where even indirectly racially related comments tend to be viewed in the least favorable available light, dialog quickly becomes poisonous. If the standard we must be measured by now is post racial, it's no wonder we periodically fall short, our social healing is incomplete, and many sharp edges remain. As Barack Obama poignantly expressed while discussing Reverend Wright's emotionally charged words; we are getting closer, but we simply aren't there yet.

We aren't there yet when Barack Obama attempts in his speech to explain his compassion for human frailty regarding racial issues by describing his White Grandmother's fear of unknown Black men on the street, and that is immediately seized on in the media and by some opponents as evidence of Obama being disrespectful to his loving white Grandmother. We aren't there yet when Barack Obama makes an off the cuff, in some surface way less than flattering comment about "the average white voter" during a radio interview, and that is twisted by the media and some of his opponents into evidence of Obama's own racial prejudice. And we aren't there yet when Hillary Clinton making reference to the importance of LBJ to the completion of Martin Luther King's life work gets twisted by the media and some of her opponents into her being disrespectful and unappreciative of the contributions King made to America, and an inability of black people in general to accomplish much of anything without white help.

We aren't there yet, and that's OK, as long as we keep moving forward and don't slip further behind. It worries me though when two white politicians who for decades fought in the American south, and in Washington DC, for the rights and dignity of African Americans citizens become identified as racial villains in the eyes of many of their fellow Democrats. It worries me also when the contents of one of the most profound speeches in a generation calling for and pointing toward racial healing in America, gets spun against the man who wrote it as evidence of his prejudice by many of his fellow Democrats. We have to turn this around, all of us. We choose to want a nation where an African American male and a Caucasian woman can compete against each other to become President of the United States, knowing only one can win, believing the one who loses won't lose because of their race or gender. But that can never happen if we insist on thinking the worst of those with whom we don't completely agree.



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Re: My problem with Obama's Speech on Race (none / 0)

Obama's speech was one of the most profound speeches given on race in history.  He talked to us like we are adults, but from this diary it seems that maybe you have a lot more growing up to do.


by Spanky on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:33:53 AM EST

Re: My problem with Obama's Speech on Race (none / 0)

Care to elaborate on that insult, and why you made it? What did you read in my Diary that makes you think that I thought his speech was anything less than profound in content?


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by Tom Rinaldo on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:36:50 AM EST

Re: My problem with Obama's Speech on Race (2.00 / 2)

I believe Spanky is taken by what I call the "false choice" that Obama presented in his speech.  The core of his speech was to tell America that we have a choice.  We can choose to scrutinize him, in which case we are relics of the past, obstacles to progress, and most likely racist.  Or, we can choose to agree with him completely, in which case we can atone for our original sin of slavery, and also have healthcare and education.

It sounds silly when I put it so starkly, but that is the "choice" that Obama presented our nation.  You can read the speech and see this.  I told my friends I thought this "false choice" would be very effective on the most liberal of Obama's base, who would not stop to consider whether such a choice is either reasonable or necessary.


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by bobbank on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:20:24 AM EST
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Re: My problem with Obama's Speech on Race (none / 0)

He presented no such false choice. He pointed to the complexity of the issue, which, in itself means there are not just two choices.


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by politicsmatters on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:00:36 AM EST
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Oh I disagree completely.  He very plainly presented a choice, and it was the crux of the entire speech.  It began with his saying that we could choose to scrutinize his relationship with Rev. Wright further, we could choose to watch it on youtube, etc.  He went on to make the ridiculous assertion that Gerry Ferraro = Rev. Wright, which should sound absurd to all but the most rabid Obama supporter.

He said we chould choose to do those things (scrutinize him), but that would equate to "going back to our sides of the room".  And he actually guaranteed us, promised us, that if we did that (scrutinized him, disagreed with him), that nothing would change.

Or, he said, we could say "Not this time."  Then he went on to imply that by nominating him, we could fix our education and healthcare systems, achieve world peace and also finally atone for what he himself calls the "original sin" of our nation.


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by bobbank on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 02:59:25 PM EST
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Re: My problem with Obama's Speech on Race (2.00 / 4)

Obama's narrative:

If we don't vote for Barack Obama, we're racists or a 'typical white person' who isn't supporting him because he's black.

But, if we do support Obama, we're enlightened progressives who are voting for him because he's the best candidate. [or because he's "uniquely qualified because he's black" according to John Kerry.]

It's a divisive narrative.

But, the worst was the anecote about the grandmother and grandfather, a clearly cynical and contrived "composite" narrative on "race" from Sen. Obama.

No one except the most gullible and credulous would believe that convenient little ditty. It was really very smarmy to see a man contrive such a story in order to smear his own grandmother and grandfather to score cheap political points.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:00:40 AM EST
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You just called 70% of Americans gullible (none / 0)

CBS reported that their polls tell them that 70% of Americans liked the speech and thought it did a good job of defining the issue.

The "Grandma under the bus" argument is weak, as the story has been out since the mid 90s in Deams of My Father and Granny hasn't had a problem with it so far.

You're also mischaracterizing the speech.  Nowhere in the speech did Obama say that you needed to vote for him to prove that you're not a racist.  He told us to start approaching the matter in an adult way and not jump on anyone, whether they be Gerry Ferraro or Granny Obama, just because they have a point of view that you don't agree with.

Civil Rights saw some improvement under Bill Clinton; Obama isn't foolish enough to say that he's the only guy to get that particular agenda done.


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by Dracomicron on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:11:47 AM EST
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No, don't neutralize comments with a poll (none / 0)

Just as Obama's speech implied that a PA loss will be due to typical white racism, you cannot silence these comments with your poll.


by catfish1 on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 12:03:43 PM EST
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Re: If You Think Barack's Book Is Gospel..... (2.00 / 1)

George W. Bush was elected as President, not once, but twice. I rest my case about Americans being "gullible" and "credulous."

As to your other 'point' about Obama lecturing listeners of his speech to 'start approaching the matter in an adult way':

Don't do as I do; do as I say. Claim the parental 'adult' mantle when lecturing children. That's such a classic authoritarian tactic. Only authoritarian followers fall for it.

Well, I am an adult, and don't need to be lectured about how to start approaching race 'in an adult way' from a man who campaigned with a homophobic gay evangelical preacher in South Carolina to woo black voters.

Nor do I need a lecture on approaching race in an adult way from a candidate whose own hysterical hyperbole in response to an accurate statement from Sen. Clinton regarding the contributions of both Martin Luther King, Jr. and President Lyndon Johnson to civil rights legislation being enacted, renders him suspect on the issue of 'approaching the issue in an adult way'.  

I don't need a lecture on 'approaching the issue in an adult way' from a sanctimonious and pompous candidate who refused to be photographed with Gavin Newsome, San Francisco's Mayor, when Newsome first approached the matter of the constitutional right to marriage for gay people 'in an adult way'.  

The 'grandmother argument is weak' because it is in his book? As Lynn Sweet has reported numerous times in Chicago, Barack Obama used 'composite' figures and contrived anecdotes in the same book. Apparently you think Barack's book is gospel; thus, you argue, because his "grandmother" anecdote is 'in the book,' it must be true.

That's the definition of gullible, my friend.

Froma Harrop makes a good point regarding Obama's speech and Wright:

"...for Obama, the most lasting damage of this affair may not be tied to race or religion but to class. Working stiffs will struggle to square Obama's close bond to a purveyor of racial grievance with his own golden existence. With four Ivy League degrees between them, half a million in income and children in private schools, the Obamas seem to be doing more than OK.

The clashing images of resentment and privilege are a divide that is hard to bridge."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article s/2008/03/divides_obama_doesnt_bridge_1. html


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 12:04:55 PM EST
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I had a problem with this speech too.  

He could have said there is only "one" race, the human race ?  And why did he have to throw Grandma under the bus?

Yes, there are still "angry black Americans", but there are also "angry white Americans", but you don't see anyone justifying the KKK spew.

No wonder our party is so divided, it was a missed opportunity for Obama to unite us, not divide us further.


by catchawave on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:14:46 AM EST

Grandma is not under the bus (none / 0)

Er, did you read the entirety of Tom Rinaldo's diary?  

I don't think you'd agree with it if you believe that Obama tossed Granny to the wolves, because he specifically bemoans this interpretation.

Obama's not going to say that there's only one race, because that's simply not true in terms of human perception.  Ignoring race has led us to this politically correct zone where we jump all over Geraldine Ferraro for making statements that could be construed by some to be racist, but have some clumsy truth to them.

Obama is trying to unite us.  He didn't think it was going to be easy, however, and obviously we all have work to do.


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by Dracomicron on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:57:55 AM EST
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Re: Grandma is not under the bus (2.00 / 1)

I did indeeed use that as an example for the reason you cite. It is a clear example of how easy it is to say something in regards to race, in a politically charged atmosphere, than can be used by ones opponents to accuse you of playing divisive racial cards. Not all phrases are perfectly crafted to fail safe guard against unintended readings of actual intention.

And that is exactly the type of spin narrative attack that has consistently been used poltically against both Clinton's in this contest, which I also tried to illustrate.


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by Tom Rinaldo on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:37:28 AM EST
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Re: My problem with Obama's Speech on Race (none / 0)

This line about throwing grandmother under the bus is just a wee bit silly - at least.

He talked about this story in his book, published 13 years ago.  You might want to read it to get a deeper understanding of how Obama's thinking and life developed.


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by politicsmatters on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:02:22 AM EST
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Re: My problem with Obama's Speech on Race (2.00 / 3)

"We aren't there yet, and that's OK, as long as we keep moving forward and don't slip further behind. It worries me though when two white politicians who for decades fought in the American south, and in Washington DC, for the rights and dignity of African Americans citizens become identified as racial villains in the eyes of many of their fellow Democrats."

Well said.  I share my own reactions, here.  Specifically:

"It strikes me that, some weeks ago, Sen. Obama's campaign stood much to gain by fomenting racial tensions, which emerged as a wedge issue, from South Carolina to Mississippi.  Sen. Obama has had no apparent objection to this.  Indeed his campaign has actively encouraged it, doing precisely what he condemns in his speech: exploiting anger 'to gin up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician's own shortcomings.'

Now that these myopic tactics have caused him duress, now that the "racial lens" has been re-focused on him, he sees expediency in unity.

Putting it in his terms, the fierce urgency of now doesn't seem all that urgent to Sen. Obama.  Rather, we are left with the image of a shrewd, opportunistic politician, gifted, but entrenched in those same politics of old that supporters would shed like a coat on a hot summer day. "


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by bobbank on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:16:41 AM EST

Re: My problem with Obama's Speech on Race (none / 0)

You have a good take on this; I disagree with many points, but very well written, nonetheless.


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by ragekage on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:19:19 AM EST

A brave diary (none / 0)

I think your diary is excellent, especially for being relatively non-partisan.

Obama has said that he always intended to make that speech, but that he figured it would have to wait while the primaries demanded his constant attention.

In some ways, this was the perfect time for this speech to be given.  He's proven himself as a post-racial candidate already and moved well beyond catagorization as a "Jesse Jackson."  He's proven to be the real deal, but if he had come out swinging on race when the primaries began, would that have still been the case?  Or would he have been laughed off the stage as "the black candidate?"

I argue that there was no urgency in getting to the race issue until now, when cable news forced his hand with 24/7 Jeremiah Wright coverage.  Would he have rather chosen his field?  Sure.  Anyone would.  But he didn't have the luxury, so he gave now the speech that he had always intended to give, and I think that the proximity to the Wright issue actually gives it a certain greater gravity and importance in the mind of the listener.  We have context where we could have seen Obama ambush us with the race issue that nobody likes to talk about later in the campaign.

I applaud your take on the issue, and believe that this is the sort of discussion that needs to take place for us all to move forward.


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by Dracomicron on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:06:20 AM EST

Re: A brave diary (none / 0)

Thank you.

I tried hard to at least keep this Diary itself clear of specific accusations of or defenses against allegations of attempts to "play the race card" earlier in the primaries. I have my own partisan read which of course influences my opinions, since my opinions influence my partisan read, but I hoped to provide at least a reasonable starting point to a larger discussion here that would not knee jerk divide us up into dueling camps.

In an odd way, I feel Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton made symmetrical tactical errors. Clinton began this primary season putting too great an emphasis on positioning herself to win the General Election and as a result did not place a political emphasis on the type of statements and positioning that would prevent her from losing the nomination. Obama may well have been served best in the primaries by "glossing over" (as in the gloss reflected off a movie star portrayed on a magazine cover) some of the potential controversies that were likely to be exploited against him in a general election campaign, but as a result the issue of his relationship with Reverend Wright and his church now has been raised at a time and in a manner not of Obama's own choosing. And he has to deal with an added layer of suspicion that he was previously peddling a false bill of goods in his post racial appeal to America's voters.


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by Tom Rinaldo on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:45:23 AM EST
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I agree that BO's speech would have... (2.00 / 1)

been most effective at the start of his campaign.  I never understood why Obama, a most obvious symbol of change - didn't further his "reach across the aisle" campaign promise by talking about his own background and racial mix and how he could move race relations forward.  It would have been a perfect start and - perhaps - he wouldn't have found himself in the position of the last two weeks.

In fact, I have often thought he was ashamed of his white mother and grandparents (and his racially mixed half-siblings) as he only capitalized on his Kenyan heritage.  I remember when he won Iowa and they actually had interviews set up with a women in Kenya who claimed to be his grandmother (or some relative) and how his Kenyan village was rejoicing.  What about his beautiful half-sister in Hawaii?  And while his maternal grandmother is apparently too frail to comment right now, it would have been lovely to have felt that she was being giving some of the credit for the man who Obama has become.

OTOH, now I don't understand how he can be an agent of racial change because he sat in a black liberation church for 20 years - obviously supporting its premise.  Rev. Wright was attached to the NOL at least 4 years before Obama started attending, so there is no question that he knew - and by implication, embraced - Rev. Wright's position.

To try and deny that now that he's in political hot water seems very weak.


by Shazone on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:10:05 AM EST

Not really (none / 0)

If he'd given that speech at the beginning of the campaign, it would also have been the end of the campaign, because everyone would then attribute him with being the racial candidate, and dismiss him as they dismissed Jesse Jackson.

His Hawaii family played a prominent role in his Hawaii primary campaign.  His aunt appeared with actress Kelly Hu at rallies, as I recall.  For the most part, however, he's trying to insulate his family in general from the media, for the same reason the Clintons don't let the media interview Chelsea: he values their privacy and lives as private citizens.

Imagining that he's ashamed of his mother is kinda insulting, as her illness and struggles with the insurance companies are his key motivator in pushing for universal health care.

What is your problem with the TUCC?  They are a black community church, they don't believe in black separation.  Wright has been mischaracterized in the media, and it's sad to see him be smeared like this.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/23/0433 4/5836


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by Dracomicron on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:19:16 AM EST
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Sorry - we obviously see... (2.00 / 1)

very different things with regard to these issues.

Remember...I - and a lot of other voters - weren't in Hawaii to see him with his maternal family so if he did so (I'll take your word for it), it didn't get a lot of exposure.  BUT, he clearly has exploited the AA side of his existence.

Quite frankly - and I know you'll tell me I'm wrong (don't tell me I'm a racist!) I have long thought that he was exploiting his AA heritage in order to garner votes and that he felt if he talked about the other side of the family he would lose support.

And there is no way that you will convince me that TUCC is an ordinary Christian church (or even an ordinary AA Christian church) and that Rev. Wright has been smeared in the press.


by Shazone on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:50:02 AM EST
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Re: Sorry - we obviously see... (none / 0)

Obama didn't make it to Hawaii himself; he had his hands full in Wisconsin, as I recall.  His aunt campaigned as his surrogate and he won in a landslide (for various reasons).

I don't think that you're a racist for thinking that Obama has capitalized on his black heritage, but Clinton and McCain have clearly capitalized on their white heritage... if not consciously, then certainly unconsciously and on the level of societal norms.

Is it wrong to use your identity as an advantage?  Hillary Clinton grew up to a wealthy white family with lots of connections; many of those connections have come into play over the years... are you saying that she shouldn't have done that?

Anyway, Wright was unquestionably smeared by the press, and if you don't believe that, I can't believe that you've done any research on the issue.  Follow my link and listen to his words in context.  He's mistaken in some areas, but he's not some Black Panther trying to bring down the government, either.


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by Dracomicron on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 12:24:12 PM EST
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I have not researched Rev. Wright... (none / 0)

because I have too many other things on my plate...and I'll never vote for Obama, anyway.

It's just not of interest/a priority to me.

Sorry, but that's just the way things are.


by Shazone on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 12:58:24 PM EST
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Then be quiet about it. (none / 0)

It would take ten minutes to go to my diary and listen to the unedited versions of the speeches and the other information I provided.  

You don't want to do the reasearch because you're not interested in being rational about it.  You're blinded by dislike of the candidate.

I suggest that, if you're not interested in researching the subject, that you not broadcast your ignorance and make all of us informed Democrats look bad.

Thanks for your time.


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by Dracomicron on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 01:31:56 PM EST
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Re: My problem with Obama's Speech on Race (2.00 / 1)

Recommended for fostering dialogue! May I add this? It's worth a read and a listen.


by Freedom on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:26:19 AM EST

that Gary Hart analogy was perfect (none / 0)

and Obama is a fool, just like Hart was. only problem, was Donna Rice was not a white supremacist.  He was only seeing her for a few months, Obama has been seeing him much of his adult life. We might as well nominate Jesse Jackson now. But Jackson hasn't even said "god damn america" and while I, personally don't believe in guilt-by-association, most American simpletons do, and we can't just rely on smart elites to vote for us anymore.


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by DiamondJay on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 12:04:48 PM EST

If you didn't believe in guilt by association... (none / 0)

You wouldn't be using this as an argument against Obama.

"Hey, it's not me, it's these other people who are stupid patriotic racists that will trash him for knowing this guy..."

I think the implication is pretty clear.


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by Dracomicron on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 12:27:27 PM EST
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this is politics. its about what OTHERS WILL THINK (none / 0)

and electability is not about personal security on thoughts, its about quelling other's insecurities. If OTHER PEOPLE believe in guilt by association, then OTHER PEOPLE, who are not die hard dems like us, will not vote for him.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 12:36:53 PM EST
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Then we work to inform them (none / 0)

We shouldn't just sit down and let people believe things that are untrue.  We need to work so that people are informed on issues that would lead them to voting for our candidate.

The opposition is free to do the same.  If that helps our guy, then great.  If it hurts, fine.  I think, in the end, Obama's personal positives outweigh his negatives-by-association and that it's a winning strategy.


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by Dracomicron on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 12:39:42 PM EST
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Wrights comments are tough to "inform" (none / 0)

and the thing is that when they link him to Wright thruout the campaign, they will mention Wright's comments, and you can't convince most people on "god DAMN America" and "US of KKK A' and a bunch of others. This WILL be the Swift Boat Vets 2008. The fact is simpleton American and Reagan Dems will not be swayed, they are less likely to think thru it than us blogging Dems.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 12:49:30 PM EST
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We've got a good start... (none / 0)

Everyone's already seen it.

If it gets brought up again later, they're going to be pissed.  They thought it was over with.  

I forsee this backfiring drastically on the Republicans.


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by Dracomicron on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 01:29:08 PM EST
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Re: Wrights comments tough to "inform" (none / 0)

Which, in a nut shell, is why I think it would have been better had Obama gotten out ahead on this issue in the first place rather than wait to be put on the defensive regarding it before addressing it.

Obviously there are few easy calls in politics; every strategy is a risk and a choice between competing sets of pros and cons. But I believe Obama would have been better served by initiating this discussion framed by his own terms rather than responding under attack from a defensive position, and I think America would have been better serverd by that choice also.

If nothing else no one could have accused him of trying to deceive them into thinking he was someone who his own life choices shows he wasn't. The advantage of the doubt would have swayed toward Obama if a discussion of his ties to Wright's church took place was initiated by him in a context of his own choosing. Now for some the burden of proof has shifted back to Obama.


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by Tom Rinaldo on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 01:32:14 PM EST
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